Abstract: This interview was carried out in November 2015, during a visit made by Nikolas Rose to Chile in the context of the research program “Towards a genealogy of pharmacological power”, led by Ricardo Camargo. In this conversation, Nikolas Rose addresses his own academic history, from his early research as a biologist to the most recent endeavors related to neuroscience, as well as his important work on governmentality in the seventies and eighties.

Resumen: Esta entrevista fue realizada en noviembre del año 2015, durante una visita realizada por Nikolas Rose a Chile, en el contexto del programa de investigación “Hacia una genealogía del poder farmacológico”, liderado por Ricardo Camargo. En ésta, se aborda principalmente la historia académica de Nikolas Rose, desde sus primeras investigaciones como biólogo, hasta la más reciente y relativa a la neurociencia, pasando igualmente por su importante trabajo sobre la gubernamentalidad en las décadas de los setenta y ochenta.

A psicologia ocupou um papel importante na sociedade durante o século XX, ajudando a construir o mundo e as pessoas em que nos transformamos. Nesse sentido, constituiu-se como uma "ciência social", promovendo uma "psicologização" das vidas individual e coletiva, inventando e transformando diversas idéias em termos psicológicos. Este texto busca compreender esta caminhada da psicologia, que encontrou seu espaço como uma técnica de regulamentação, um pretenso conhecimento sobre as pessoas com o objetivo institucional de administrá-las, moldá-las, reformá-las. Passa pela psicologia social do pós primeira e segunda guerras, com suas pesquisas de atitudes e trabalhos sobre grupos, culminando na noção de empreendimento, construindo e regulando as ações humanas. Termina problematizando a primazia do corpo biológico no século XXI, onde as novas tecnologias de imagem, a psiquiatria biológica, a neuroquímica e a neurobiologia emergem, na mesma medida em que uma "subjetividade cerebral" se fortalece.

Psychology played an important role in society during the 20th century, helping to build the world and the people we became. In that sense, it established itself as a "social science", promoting a "psychologization" of individual and public lives; inventing and transforming several ideas in psychological terms. This text aims at understanding this evolution of psychology which found its space as a regulation technique, a presumed knowledge about people with an institutional objective of managing, shaping and reforming them. It discusses social psychology of post-war periods with its attitude researches and works about groups; reaching its climax with the notion of enterprise, building and regulating human actions. It ends with a discussion over the importance of the biological body in the 21st century, in which new technologies of image, biological psychiatry, neurochemistry and neurobiology emerge at the same time that brainhood is strengthened.

The social, as a plane of thought and action, has been central to political thought and political programs since the mid-nineteenth century. This paper argues that, while themes of society and concerns with social cohesion and social justice are still significant in political argument, the social is no longer a key zone, target and objective of strategies of government. The rise of the language of globalization indicates that economic relations are no longer easily understo- od as organized across a single bounded national economy. Community has become a new spatialization of government: heterogeneous, plural, linking individuals, families and others into contesting cultural assemblies of identities and allegiances. Divisions among the subjects of government are coded in new ways; neither the included nor the excluded are governed as social citizens. Non-social strategies are deployed for the management of expert authority. Antipolitical motifs such as associationism and communitarianism which do not seek to govern through society are on the rise in political thought. The paper suggests some ways of diagnosing and analyzing these novel territorializations of political thought and action.

Lo social, como territorio de pensamiento y acción, ha sido central tanto para el pensamiento como para la programación política, desde mediados del siglo XIX. El presente trabajo sostiene que, incluso cuando los temas de la sociedad y las preocupaciones por la cohesión y la justicia social sean aún significativos en la discusión política, lo social no es ya una zona clave, blanco y objetivo de estrategias de gobierno. El lenguaje de globalización señala que las relaciones económicas no son ya tan fácilmente inteligibles, ni organizadas mediante una economía nacional definida. La comunidad ha devenido una nueva espacialización del gobierno; heterogénea, plural, que interconecta individuos, familias y otros dentro de ensamblajes culturales, de identidades y lealtades que compiten entre sí. Las divisiones entre los sujetos de gobierno son codificadas de maneras novedosas; ni los excluidos ni los incluidos son gobernados como ciudadanos sociales. Estrategias no-sociales son desarrolladas para el gerenciamiento de la autoridad experta. Consignas antipolíticas como el asociativismo y el comunitarismo, que no tratan de gobernar a través de la sociedad, están en ascenso en el pensamiento político. El presente artículo sugiere algunas formas de diagnosticar y analizar estas nuevas territorializaciones del pensamiento y de la acción política.