The Brazilian Constitution of 1988 and the colombian of 1991, recognized for the first time in both cases, a especific place for it's black communities cultural and land rights. In this two cases, such legal and political innovations, strongly influenced by the accumulation of indigenous fights, answered to changes made in their political fields, but also produced new changes that reached as much the new local realitys as the academic field. This text takes as basis ethnographical analysis of two situations, one in each of this countries, where of countryside grouping black people are, beyond this legal analogy, into segmentation and hybridation relationship as well as transference of strategycal knowledge with indigenous communities. Starting from this ethnographical examples, we propose a comparative exercise with the objective of drafting a picture of the new analytical and theoretical problems caused by the flow of culture, social strategys and, today, of mediators between such ethnical grouping people in Brazil and Colombia.
black and indigenous communities; Brazil; Colombia; land rights